credit and created a real catastrophe politically for the republican party, for president obama as well, and so jo engler has talked about a resolution that would last for five years. the republicans don't want to go along with it. the administration has proposed a permanent fix. don't expect the administration to get that in the end, but at least it gives them something to talk about with this pro-business group, carl. >> the republicans spoke just a minute ago, john boehner saying his fellow republicans do in fact, as we watch the president work the room ahead of his remarks, they do back his opposition to raising rates outright. this chatter that the coalition is fraying, how complicating is that? the question is whether it frays enough to caught a fundamental shift in strategy. i think at the end of the dahl the republicans will give on higher rates. the question is when? does 2 happen before december 31st? in which case republicans and conservatives would argue republicans are agreeing to a tax increase. does it happen after january 1st when rates will have already risen? and if th